Yes, the U.S. healthcare system is full of inefficiencies which lead to bloated costs. But no, that's not the reason that U.S. longevity ranks only 29th in the world.
That's the gist of a working paper (abstract here; pdf here) by Samuel H. Preston, a health demographer at Penn, and Jessica Y. Ho, a health economist.
As summarized in the NBER Digest:
The authors demonstrate that mortality reductions from prostate and breast cancers have been exceptionally rapid in the United States relative to a set of peer countries. They argue that these unusually rapid declines are attributable to wider screening and more aggressive treatment of these diseases. Screening for other cancers also appears unusually extensive, and five-year survival rates from all of the major cancers are very favorable. Survival rates following heart attack and stroke are also favorable (although one-year survival rates following stroke are only average), and the proportion of people with elevated blood pressure or cholesterol levels who are receiving medication is well above European standards.
These performance indicators pertain primarily to what happens after a disease has developed, though. It is possible that the U.S. health care system performs poorly in preventing disease in the first place. Unfortunately, there are no satisfactory international comparisons of disease incidence. Some researchers report a higher prevalence of cancer and cardiovascular disease in the United States than in Europe, and biomarkers confirm that many disease syndromes are more prevalent in the United States than in England and Wales, for example. Higher disease prevalence is prima facie evidence of higher disease incidence, although those high incidence rates also could be produced by better identification (for example, through screening programs) or better survival. The history of exceptionally heavy smoking and the more recent increase in obesity in the United States suggest that a high disease incidence cannot be laid entirely at the feet of the health care system.
Evidence that the major diseases are effectively diagnosed and treated in the United States does not mean that there may not be great inefficiencies in the U.S. health care system, according to the authors. A list of prominent inefficiency charges levied against the system include: fragmentation, duplication, inaccessibility of records, the practice of defensive medicine, misalignment of physician and patient incentives, limitations of access for a large fraction of the population, and excessively fast adoption of unproven technologies. Some of these inefficiencies have been identified by comparing performance across regions of the United States, but the fact that certain regions do poorly relative to others does not imply that the United States on the whole does poorly relative to other countries. The authors also note that many of the documented inefficiencies of the U.S. health care system simply add to its costs rather than harming patients.
They conclude that the low longevity ranking of the United States is not likely a result of a poorly functioning health care system.
This doesn't come as much of a surprise to anyone who's dug a bit into the healthcare data (which is vast vast vast), but I don't believe the public thinks of the issue this way. Many politicians also probably don't -- and their positions are further compromised by the fact that, politically, it can be very hard to blame bad health outcomes on their voters' overeating, smoking, and other personal choices.
While we don't have a dedicated healthcare chapter in SuperFreakonomics, healthcare is probably the single most prominent topic throughout the book. A lot of the stories we tell point to failures that could be easily corrected if the existing incentives were aligned less perversely than they are. There are huge gains to be made, for instance, in decreasing hospital-acquired infections and paying attention to the inefficacy of many types of chemotherapy. Also, it may be that less interaction with the healthcare system in general would be a very good thing.
The main factor is demographics not healthcare. Swedes in the US live plenty long. The problem is that there are also lots of non-swedes that don't live as long.
ResponderEliminarStill, we're paying much more for our 29th ranking in longevity. Even if much of the reason we're 29th is because we're fat, lazy and stupid, humans still need affordable health care.
ResponderEliminarIsn't this like paying 400,000 dollars year to attend the 29th ranked university? Why would anyone want to do that?
We are forced to overpay for health care by insurance companies.
What I don't really get is why the health industry is so against a socialized system. It seems to me that at the CEO/Hedge fund/Investor level, the business you run is really arbitrary. Meaning that this cabal of millionaires should just invest in a different industry, I don't understand why it makes a difference to them.
As published, such health comparisons just feed political agendas and help no one.
ResponderEliminarUSA is a pluralistic, multi racial society, others are not. Any stats that make inter-country longevity comparisons should take that into account. For example, do American-Europeans (whites) have a shorter lifespand than, for example, German or French whites. By the same token, American-Blacks should be compared to other blacks, such as those in UK. There are studies which have shown, for another example, that controlling for environmental influences, Negroids have a slightly lower life expectancy than Caucasoids.
It would also make sense to control for social class, since the so called life style choices seem to related to class, i.e. junk food and sugar consumption, exercise, etc.
The 29th ranking is always a bit unfair. While I feel happy that the 16 people who live in Andorra live a long life, that's not a good comparison to a nation of 300 million.
ResponderEliminarTo me, the keys to this are:
1) Genetics/culture -- Four of the top six nations in lifespan are from the pacific rim. it's likely that there is some difference, mostly diet, that contributes.
2) Obesity - among G7 nations, the US's obesity rate is first by a longshot. It is ten times that of Japan, three times that of France. You're simply not comparing equivalent populations.
3) Violence and substance abuse -- the US ranks top in our peer nations in these categories.
The only nation that comes anywhere close to us in culture, diet, obesity, violence and substance abuse is the UK. And they live about six months longer.
Don't we also rank badly in infant mortality (webmd.com/baby/news/20091103/preemies-raise-us-infant-mortality-rate)? When babies die, it has a huge impact on the life expectancy, based on averages. That has to play a part in our lower life expectancy. I'd be curious to see life expectancy comparisons based on how long a 5 year old might expect to live.
ResponderEliminarObviously high infant mortality is horrible, but solving it would require a different set of solutions than thinking the problem lies with things like cancer treatment.
Brenda
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AC is correct. Look at the state with the highest life expectancy, Hawaii. It also has the greatest percentage of Asian Americans, who tend to live longer than other demographics.
ResponderEliminarNorth Dakota, which has the highest percentage of Norwegian Americans, has a life expectancy rate almost the same as Norway.
The numbers are suspect. People insist on comparing the very diverse US to countries that are homogenous. By diverse I don't mean by race (whatever that means) etc. I mean geographic. For example indian reservations or ghettos in the big cities where hope, medical care, good food are in scant supply. It reminds me of the 1936 poll for president which only used the phone when most people didn't have one.
ResponderEliminarTwo other things to add to AC's well-taken point:
ResponderEliminar1. Infant mortality rates are higher here, because we count every baby. Other countries may wait a day or two before officially counting a live birth, and/or not count extremely premature babies.
2. There's a much higher murder rate here. The effect is overall tiny, but perhaps not insignificant.
@andrew
ResponderEliminarThe 29th ranking and high costs are directly related. Because a disproportionate number of people suffer from problems associated with obesity, such as diabetes and cardiac issues, a high number of people are forced to seek treatment for those problems. Look at financial statements of these insurance companies - their profit margins are not unreasonable compared to other industries.
Health insurance is a social tool to spread risk. It works well when a low percentage of insured actual make claims. In the US, where fast food is cheaper than eating healthy, and harmful preservatives make unhealthy food more affordable than fresh food, many people become obese for economic reasons, not taking into account their future health care expenditures. This is a negative externality.
The best way to account for that is to tax unhealthy foods so that they are at least equal in price to healthy alternatives. Of course, that will never happen because of the number of huge corporations relying heavily on sales of unhealthy foods. It would be a political disaster, as jobs would be lost and the economy would suffer in the short-term. Even something as simple as removing the corn subsidy and sugar import tariff (which would allow for cheaper, healthier food) doesn't have a chance at becoming a reality because of economic incentives of US food producers.
"People insist on comparing the very diverse US to countries that are homogenous. "
ResponderEliminarOK compare it to Australia - roughly the same geographic extent. Huge mixed migrant population.
Ranks #2 for longevity.
In studies I have read of longevity, improving factors cited included such issues as social support and spiritual life. I believe both of these are lacking in the US.
ResponderEliminarAs an Oncology Data Manager, I suspect that our Cancer incidence rates are probably higher in the US than in some other countries. It would be interesting to see if other countries add as much junk to their food chain as we do. A recently released SEER report shows that mortality rates have actually increased for certain cancers since 1950.
I personally feel that allowing patients to select their own care often results in a higher use of unproven therapies. Everyone seems to think that "The Latest Treatment" or being on a clinical trial is a good thing. When adverse events occur the patient always seems so surprised. The Commission on Cancer has demonstrated that certain known treatments can be considered the "Gold Standard" in Cancer Care and patients should be encouraged to trust their local physicians without this frenzy to run off to the nearest University Medical Center and get on a clinical trial. I believe the media shares some responsibility for the low compliance rate amongst US patients. The majority of US physicians are caring and trustworthy. Have some faith folks....
So many of the commentators argue that because vast swaths of America are entrenched in poverty, those areas should be ignored when calculating statistics? Kind of like the Soviet Union saying everything is wonderful, so long as you don't ask anyone who's not a high-ranking party member?
ResponderEliminarExceptionally heavy smoking? Has anyone been on a train in France? Or a pub in Ireland? We're pikers compared to other countries.
ResponderEliminarAnyway to crunch longevity against population living in the suburbs? Growing up in car-centric (i.e., you don't walk) areas with plenty of fast food and frozen meals, and you stay inside a lot of the time, one develops bad habits and lays the ground work for an unhealthy, obese lifestyle.
ResponderEliminarCompare that to walking cultures of Europe with a more urban population and you might start to explain some differences.
How much skew is put in the data set by the astonishingly high homicide rate in the US? I guess that most of these homicide deaths are in the 16-25 age bracket which must have some effect on the averages.
ResponderEliminarOn examination, quite a bit of the healthcare data also seems to be suspect - or at the very least, subject to the same unscientific bias as the climate issues we've seen. Check out junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/ for specific examples.
ResponderEliminarThere are two interesting points in this post; both of which are a result of a privately-delivered health care system.
ResponderEliminarThe first is that though people receive excellent care when they get seriously ill, they still get seriously ill. Health insurance becomes treated like any other type of insurance (something goes wrong, you make a claim - you don't put the effort up front in preventing something from going wrong in the first place). Preventative medicine seems to be failing.
The second is that private companies have created a system where "fragmentation, duplication, inaccessibility of records, the practice of defensive medicine, misalignment of physician and patient incentives, limitations of access for a large fraction of the population, and excessively fast adoption of unproven technologies" occurs.
While this certainly benefits health care delivery in isolated cases (and helps socialized systems in the rest of the world that can take the best of the US system and apply it to their own), it results in an inefficient system in the United States.
For Americans who reach the age of 65, mortality rates are comparable to the top tier of developed countries. This is because our socialized medicine (Medicare) works comparably well to theirs, but unfortunately, under-65s have to wait to enroll in it.
ResponderEliminarRE: "The authors demonstrate that mortality reductions from prostate and breast cancers have been exceptionally rapid in the United States relative to a set of peer countries."
ResponderEliminarCan anyone point me to the data behind this. I'm interested in seeing how cancer (any/all types) survival rates have trended over the last century.
Thanks.
Brenda: The part that often gets ignored about infant mortality is that the US has a different (and much looser) set of rules for what constitutes "born." A lot of nations don't count premature births as "births" unless the infant survives - and some European countries don't count a child as "born" unless there's a birth certificate (which isn't issued for at least three days after the birth - sometimes longer). So a child that is born and doesn't survive past the first hour counts as "infant mortality" in the US, but as "stillborn" in many places.
ResponderEliminarThis has a noticeable influence on lifespan calculations, of course (having a person with an effective lifespan of zero has a much more powerful impact on average expected lifespan than losing ten people two years early).
The same thing turns up in other stats... look at suicide rates in the US versus other countries, and you find funny little things - like a "low" suicide rate that doesn't match the number of suicides (a lot of "accidental deaths" are blatantly obvious suicides, but are counted as accidental deaths to keep the claimed stats in line).
i don't get this post- it seems to say that the US system is inefficient, expensive, inaccessible to many and ranks poorly, but then those of us in the know know that it is not a poorly functioning system???!!!- well here's a hint from someone in the know- the US ranks low in longevity because it refuses routine care/prevention to 47 million of its own citizens, and the insurance companies proffer punitive coverage to those with 'preexisting conditions', namely anyone
ResponderEliminar"Many politicians also probably don
ResponderEliminarLife expectancy is not simply a reflection of the quality of medical care. Those who are commenting that the comparisons are unfair are missing the point--health outcomes are affected by all kinds of factors that reflect upon the quality of life in a country (as well as possibly other genetic factors).
ResponderEliminarIf the reason the US has lower life expectancies has to do with a lack of other life opportunities for certain portions of the population, that doesn't mean the comparisons are suspect, it means those factors are important in determining life expectancies as well!
For example, obesity is related to food policy and is influenced by American culture as well. The is nothing intrinsic to people in America (as a whole) that results in higher rates of obesity. There are similar cultural and policy influences that contribute to higher rates of substance abuse and violence.
Andrew (#2) asks "Isn
ResponderEliminarLife expectancy is a whole lot more than appropriate healthcare. In my part of the country (yours, too?) too many people live on fatty junk food chock full of artificial hormones and pesticides. They are obese. Kids don't drink milk, they drink soda. Drug abuse is rampant, whether is be on the streets or in the medicine cabinets. Good grief, people need to wake up and change how they live. Universal access to health care (and I'm all for it) won't solve these problems.
ResponderEliminarThe statistics are biased by our efforts to preserve the life of premature and severely ill infants.
ResponderEliminarMost of the "superior" countries allow these to die without
record.
Additionally, how do we believe these data? The other countries probably massage the data just like the climate "scientists"
(Sorry guys, I've had too much coffee today and I've been meaning to make this joke for a while)
ResponderEliminarNobody should even be worried about this at all. Yes the trends look bad and it looks like we'll have to make hard choices, but really [some new technology] is going to improve everyone's life expectancy in one fell swoop. It's way more expensive to have more aggressive screening, cheaper health care, or universal coverage than [some new technology that will work so well] could ever possibly cost.
Don't worry, even though [whatever this new technology is OMG it'll be so great] hasn't been tested at all yet, we should stop worrying about all these expensive, complex problems that are hard to regulate or incentivize.
It's simple: Americans suffer from diseases of affluence.
ResponderEliminarAll the things that would contribute to a long life vanish when we sit on the couch watching TV and smoking, eating fatty foods, etc. etc. We don't exercise or hoe those furrows anymore.
Hey, I hear that if you exercize two hours a day you will live two years longer. Pass the Oreos.
@Brenda, infant mortality is much more heavily based on race than anything else. This is related to the above posters saying asians have the best life expectancy. They also have the lowest infant mortality rate.
ResponderEliminarThere are studies though that show that african immigrants have lower infant mortality, but after coming here it goes up to match the US rates.
Very interesting and complex interactions
@yasha, I dont have the data handy, but there are studies which discount the impact of the way we count infant mortality.
ResponderEliminar@mike - healthy foods are NOT more expensive from a purchasing $ point of view than fast food. However they are not as convenient
ResponderEliminarA typical fast food meal will run about $5. Eating, beans rice, fresh vegetables, fresh bread and fresh meat will run about $1/meal.
Chicken alone is around $1/pound or less with a typical serving size being 1/4 pound. Rice, beans and potatoes are on the order of pennies per serving.
Fresh vegetables and fruit in season run around $2 or less per pound. A reasonable serving per meal is 1/3 of a pound.
@rusty - if you look at any life expectancy data beyond life expectancy at birth, we are comparable - altho still lower.
ResponderEliminarThe biggest factor is infant mortality. The biggest impact on infant mortality is race.
"So many of the commentators argue that because vast swaths of America are entrenched in poverty, those areas should be ignored when calculating statistics?"
ResponderEliminarIt's not that you should ignore them. It's that it affects the conclusions you should draw about how to stop it. It's not correct to say that a country's system of socialized medicine is responsible for their greater life expectancy when their greater life expectancy is based on not having so many poor people--changing our system to be like theirs would do no good whatsoever. Having poor people is a problem, of course, but a completely different kind of problem (and you could reduce the number of poor people, and raise the life expectancy, just by kicking out all illegal immigrants.)
"Hey, I hear that if you exercize two hours a day you will live two years longer. Pass the Oreos."
ResponderEliminarA quick calculation (assuming 16 hours per day waking time) shows that if you have to exercise two hours a day for more than 16 years, you lose more time exercising than you gain in lifespan.
@3: Such a study will never, ever happen in the US, for the same reason that insurers are not allowed to base rates on race. Whether true or not, the like of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will never allow the question to be asked, much less allow such a study to be funded.
ResponderEliminarI once asked a physician friend (now retired) why he thought the US healthcare system was so bad a preventative care.
ResponderEliminarHis reply was along the lines of "The biggest health problems we have in this country are rooted in our diet and lifestyle choices. I spent nearly fifty years learning that convincing people to make real changes in those habits is generally impossible. People don't want to live healthier, they want pills to fix what they have broken."
And to Ken #35:
I have a bet for you: You be the couch potato. I'll be the athlete. The first to get a heart attack or diabetes loses.
Then we can have a conversation about time well spent.
BTW - Training for an Ironman triathlon requires about 2 hours per day.
Wordy way of saying once we discover it, we're good at treating it; however, our unhealthy lifestyles and poor insurance coverage contribute to a much higher incidence of discovery, leading to the poor life expectancy numbers.
ResponderEliminarCuriously at the Super Freakonomics books signing at Symphony Space I mentioned to Levitt that I could not find any study about health impacts of air pollution
ResponderEliminar"A quick calculation (assuming 16 hours per day waking time) shows that if you have to exercise two hours a day for more than 16 years, you lose more time exercising than you gain in lifespan."
ResponderEliminarYou're obviously not doing the right exercises. I suggest salsa dancing with women half your age. Works for me.
Many countries hide their cost data or consider government programs as not contributing to cost. In addidtion to this we are providing training and research for many countries in the world. Ask yourself this question which country in the world would you rather receive treatment in? Throwing away the best health care system in the world and substituting one which guarantees lower quality care is beyond belief. Not only does obamacare provide inferior care, it will force many doctors out of the system, close local hospitals, stop new research on drugs and equipment, and lead to rationing. Don't believe me ask your doctor( one actually practicing medicine).
ResponderEliminarBecause of the costs and limited access (a product of the system), American's see their primary care physicians, for things like checkups, much less than people in those countries which have universal care.
ResponderEliminarSeeing a primary care physician more often and checking on your health does prevent the onset of advanced-stage diseases and encourages healthier lifestyle.
I know that as an uninsured American, I am not going in for a checkup or any tests anytime soon. It's unlikely I see any kind of medical professional for anything less than a serious injury.
Countries have different homicide death rates and accidental injury death rates, such as due to auto accidents. When these and other non-health care related death rates are standardized so meaningful comparisons for health care related deaths can be made, the US ranks number one in life expectancy. See published studies by University of Iowa, Robert L. Ohsfeldt and John E. Schneider.
ResponderEliminarFurthermore, as a previous poster mentioned, there are differences in the treatment of premature and newborns that die at or shortly after birth. The US is one of the most inclusive in the use of infant death statistics and this lowers its reported life expectancy statistics.
Furthermore, as a previous poster mentioned, there are differences in the treatment of premature and newborns that die at or shortly after birth. The US is one of the most inclusive in the use of infant death statistics and this lowers its reported life expectancy statistics.
In addition, the OECD fact book where most of the comparative international health cost statistics come from has a warning at the beginning that the numbers are not comparable. For example, some countries include long-term health care and others do not.
Furthermore, although not mentioned in the fact book, different countries have different reporting times for gathering data. While the US data is the most current available, some countries are reporting data that is a year older than the US's data as the current year's data. When costs are rising as they are in healthcare, it means the other country's data is one year older than the US numbers and therefore lower than it should be. In many cases, US health care costs should be compared to other countries' following years' costs, which will be higher by anywhere from 5-15 percent.
From OECD fact book, "Comparability:
OECD countries are at varying stages of reporting total expenditure on health according to the boundary of health care proposed in the OECD manual A System of Health Accounts (SHA). This means that data reported are at varying levels of comparability
I expect the root cause here is that we've all but totally removed the Primary Care Physician from the mix. They're paid all but nothing per visit so the visits have gotten real short (they have to drive volume to make up the shortfall).
ResponderEliminarMost folks need a coach to keep themselves on the straight and narrow and PCPs filled that role back in the day.
No, I'm not in the field of medicine except as a consumer.
"Also, it may be that less interaction with the healthcare system in general would be a very good thing."
ResponderEliminarOf course the people going to the hospital to have things checked out and treated are going to show higher occurrence of problems. I only go to the hospital if something's wrong.
This to me is a self-fulfilling statement - those who interact less with the healthcare system are usually the healthier portion of the nation in general, not to mention that these people may not know they have any problems until they are properly diagnosed.
You're asking this question?
ResponderEliminarHave you looked at American portion sizes compared to the rest of the world?
I have read that once you factor out homicides and trauma deaths ("accidents"), our life expectancy is among the best in the world.
ResponderEliminarWe accept tragic levels of gun violence. A child born today has a 1 in 200 chance of being murdered.
Homicides and unintentional injuries together cause:
43% of all deaths from age 1 to 4
48% of all deaths in ages 5 to 14
62% of all deaths in ages 15 to 24
Although I believe we need health care reform, we are unlikely to see increased longevity as a result.
- Neil
Much of the health care debate is confounded by not appreciating the difference between medical care for someone who is ill, and public health issues like obesity, drug use, alcoholism, murders, homelessness, etc which require a society wide approach. How could medical care not be expensive when we spend tens of thousands to heal one homeless, alcoholic,diabetic who comes to the emergency room, but then we turn around and send him/her back to the streets where there is no housing, no rehab programs available, and no access to decent meals.
ResponderEliminarGorgas eliminated yellow fever, malaria, and many other diseases in Panama 100 years ago. Little of what he did could be seen as medical care - providing decent housing, installing running water, sewer systems, screens on windows, providing a safe food supply. Amazingly many of the citizens of our cities here in the US lack access to even these necessities today. Medical care alone cannot cure all of the ills of society no matter how much money we waste trying.
The excuse that our high infant mortality rate is the result of counting differently is incorrect. The real problem is pre-term births, which are much higher in the US than in other countries. cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db23.htm
ResponderEliminarWe are in general an unhealthy nation. We "invented" fast food and all of the ills that come with eating processed garbage. The rest of the world is catching up to us as we export are unhealthy ways. Add to that the fact that we have a health care system that does not promote health, how often does your health plan pay for a physical, but is designed to treat us only when we get sick. The concept of wellness care does not exist in this nation.
ResponderEliminarThe overall reason is demographics. I'm not a researcher but, I would hazard to guess that the percentage of blacks and Latinos that are overweight and have health issues (BP, Diabetes, etc) are much higher than for the Caucasian community; hence-ND, Iowa, MN, Denmark, etc tend to have better longevity and healthier citizens....
ResponderEliminarSeriously, what is it about hospitals that they have such an inordinately high rate of acquired infections--higher than the home, higher than the workplace, higher than employees of public places of congretation (restaurants, sports arenas, etc)? Absolutely nowhere is the incidence of infections higher than those acquired in hospitals. WHY?
ResponderEliminarIf we look back to tyhe 20s and 30s, when most hospitaliations were for infectious diseases, one could readily understand a reason for high incidences of hospital acquired infections, but with most hospitalizations nowadays having nothing to do with infectious diseases, just what is happe ning?
For those old enough to remember the CDC (Communicable Disease Center) in Atlanta, perhaps they were just a little too soon in changing their name to Center for Disease Control to signify the almost complete irradication of infectious diseases--particularly in hospitals; with various 3rd world countriesk, they seem to be in a class all by themselves.
We may not know the reason, but the last sentence of the article gives us a clue to it's solution, a faar as the general public is concerned.
addendum--"it may be that less interaction with the healthcare system in general would be a good thing", particularly the hospital part of it.
ResponderEliminarAs far as infant mortality goes, I wonder if other factors play into that. (1) I beleive that as a nation, we are more averse to abortion than other nations may be, (2) I wonder if the US delivers more high risk babies that elsewhere may not have been givin a chance, and (3) high risk mothers (ie, diabetese, high blood pressure, overwheight) are going to tend to have more complications during delivery.
ResponderEliminarPost #3 makes an excellent argument.
ResponderEliminarI would also add that Americans eat a lot of processed junk food compared to many European countries who still eat real food. Surely this affects our general health and life expectancy?
it's wealth .....
ResponderEliminarsplit the USA data by income (or/and race) and the picture is far clearer.
Has anyone mentioned the fact that "health care" plays a comparatively very small role in the average persons lifespan? It's idiotic to looks at other nations with higher lifespans and then erroneously assume it's because of the role of "healthcare". Our medical care is the absolute best in the world bar non. How it is dispensed and how risk is pooled is another matter altogether. Health insurance does not equal healthcare. It's astounding to read some of the comments.......and the lack of basic economic understanding that they demonstrate.
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